puaseKlovn Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - I really can't see how that applies, but to answer your question: Authority is mostly taken, and when given, it is mostly given under false pretenses. I'm not sure we really disagree either, but I still see problems in society that needs _some sort_ of authority to deal with, not that this authority needs act and behave as in our present society.

ThePunkReturns Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - All atheists must think the same Sarahon, because there are only two world views. Christians hold one world view, and everyone else, by reason of inferiority, hold the other. Now, go and worship your state, you commie bastard.

HeavyTrafficAhead Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - Regarding this 'statists are dogmatists, I can easily turn that around on Anarchist, Sarahon. I see plenty of dogmatism and magical thinking on the part of Anarchist. One of my favorite ironies is some Anarchist waving Proudhon or Stirner in my face, much like a Bible thumper does, both are appeals to authority. These kinds of irrational thought are universal to humanity, no matter what the ideology. I participate in the political process more out of pragmatism, not some quasi-religious fervor.

HeavyTrafficAhead Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - Aaargh!, I just went and watched the video you were responding to and now I know why you were harping on the issue. So to be an Atheist means that you are devoted to 'The State'? LOL! Wut? I noticed he snuck in some classic Catholic bashing. A Truther Atheist bashing X-tian. Just when you think things can't get weirder

Rithrandil Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - I think my main issue is that I'd rather have authority taken by an institution we have some measure of control over (via liberal democracy/the republic/what have you) as opposed to authority being taken by some guy like 4g who owns a bunch of guns and decides to kill all the gays one day. If I didn't think people were all a bunch of stupid assholes I would happily sign up for anarcho capitalism though. I think you and I both believe in 'negative liberty' ("freedom FROM"), yes?

AbbeyNormal Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - You're right, they literally think everybody else's opinion is doctrine to them. They don't understand having a flexible set of guidelines rather than rules set in stone. That's why they pick at little bits of evolution, they know the bible must be 100% perfect or it toples, so they really think they can knock evolution down if they can just find one thing that doesn't fit.

Desertphile Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - Odd now Fundamentalist Christians detest "new age 'thought'" and yet they agree with "newagers" when it comes to the belief that knowledge is just a matter of opinion. As for finding flaws in evolutionary theory, scientists do that: Creationists do not.

Desertphile Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - Leader of atheists; ROTFL!

Ilikenuman Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - my name is pronounced I-Like-Numan

AbbeyNormal Says:

Nov 2, 2009 - Oh man, it is so hilarious how the hardcore Christians decry the work of the devil and yet they buy into the same kind of magical thinking right out of the occult books. My mother was pretty bad about this, read things like alternative water healing and "wishcraft" which was kind of liek The Secret, and when I said, "Isn't that basically magic?" the look on her face was priceless.

RpPuLe Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - Athiests have got to be the highest form of intelligence on this planet, and religion was created to give answers to unanswerable things; religion is faith and faith means believing blindly, and that is rediculus that Christians and any other religion can't figure this out. 5/5

SirGaul Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - Youre right. There is almost always a religious connection to most forms of nationalism

PerinSmith Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - I think I am ready to tango

macnutz Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - One thing that is very consistent when dealing with fundamentalists and or evangelicals, is their inability to think outside their world view. They live in a rigidly structured dogmatic mind set and necessarily believe that everyone else is coming from an 'enemy' version of the same mind set. They blindly follow their authority figures and believe we do the same. They strongly enforce social and intellectual conformity and believe we do the same.They don't hear you they hear only themselves.

Serpent257 Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - That's exactly correct. Collectivists view everything as a hyarchy led by authority figures.

IsaacBickerstaffEsq Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - "This State is corrupt beyond repair...i tend to stick toward the socialistic side off things." So your response to the State being corrupt beyond repair is to . . . strengthen the state?

Sarahon06 Says:

Nov 3, 2009 - I wasn't going to touch that one. :P

IsaacBickerstaffEsq Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - I held my breath when I clicked the post button, and I may yet live to regret it, but that's one that pushes my buttons. I can understand Socialism as an intellectual concept and that it's a step up from despotism, but that particular motive for adopting it, in a nation whose foundational principle is libertarianism, has always struck me as akin to saying: "OW! Stop hitting me. Here, why don't you just use this bigger stick?"

GrantRimington1 Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - Y are all your videos just of your forehead and eyes ha ha. weird!

Charles0in0charge Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - silly man, Because i'm a socialist, you think i want to strengthen the current state? The state i purpose is a state governed by the people, not mere representatives that are elected and then serve their own purposes. I want a self governed mass off people, and state of the people without hierarchy. To me that means the Social well being will be in the hands of the masses, not in the hands of some representatives that only concern with profit. A government by the people, for the people

Charles0in0charge Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - But to reinforce the current state would only get you hit with the bigger stick. I hate when people reference the finding principles to modern times. Their means of liberty was to come out of monarchy, to inch towards Independence instead just being common wealth. Plus people also forget that the foundation has built on slaves and mercantile capitalism, an indication of oppression is riddle through out the founding documents. We must do away with this oppressive state, and actually rebuild for

Charles0in0charge Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - social well being of the people who happen live on this land. The current state is profit motivated and only protects profit; do you really think i want to reinforce this current state in America? Social Anarchy is true liberty.

IsaacBickerstaffEsq Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - "I want a self governed mass off people, and state of the people without hierarchy." Well that's different. Why didn't you say so? ". . .people also forget that the foundation has built on slaves . . ." As a Thoreauian anarchist I never forget it for a second, but here you are speaking of a particular social implementation, not the foundational principles as espoused by the trinity. They might be a good idea; if anyone ever tried them.

Charles0in0charge Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - You must retrospect for a second, some of the greater thinkers of the time, react to the social and economical history of their time. Ergo, their philosophies reflect their history. Ex. Machiavelli thought itatly with its various city states at the time were weak, sporadic, n chaotic. As he write to in "The Prince," (intended for the Prince of Florence at the time,) The only way for peace is unification of Italy by any means necessary. He reflected heavy upon history, history spawned his ideas.

Charles0in0charge Says:

Nov 4, 2009 - The Social Implementation of Slave was well in-twined in american society at the time. It definitely took a war to basically move onto better business practices. Have you ever watched the movie "Burn?"