Kirk Cameron gets Owned. Evolution is a myth!

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - Evolution deals greatly with the process of natural selection. That means that an organism can adapt to its environment by changes to itself. Let me ask you a simple question, what did it mean to be a Christian?

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - I know that it is not that descriptive but off the top of my head. I will admit that I have just recently been interested enough to read up on it and be involved in a discussion group.

canadianplanter Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - "That means that an organism can adapt to its environment by changes to itself." No. That is not what evolution means at all. If you think that evolution is the ability of an organism to adapt to its environment, then no wonder you don't believe it.

canadianplanter Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - Good. I encourage you to keep learning about it. You might be surprised what you find out. To answer your question: what it meant to be a Christian, at the time, was to believe in god, and to believe that I had a personal relationship and redemption through Jesus, who I believed died and rose from the dead to take away my sin. That is what it meant. But, as I've said before, I do not believe any of that anymore.

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - Is that not what Evolution is dealing with, Natural selection? And what about your answer to my question?

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - What was it exactly that turned you off of God? I mean that sincerely.

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - And I know that you have kinda answered that before, but is that really what happened?

canadianplanter Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - Natural selection does not involve adaptation within one organism. One organism does not have the ability to dramatically alter its adaptation to its environment or to alter its DNA. Natural selection involves the random mutation that is a normal part of reproduction. Over millions of such reproductions, some mutations are advantageous and some are not. On average, the organisms with the mutations that are advantageous are more likely to survive to reproduce.

canadianplanter Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - And in this way, genetic mutations that are more advantageous to a species become more common. For example, ant-eaters with slightly longer noses tend to survive better than those with only average noses. On average, therefore, over thousands of generations, more ant-eaters will survive with longer noses and eventually the majority of the ant-eater population will have longer noses because they carry that gene. This is an over-simplification, but it is the general idea.

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - ok, so I was kinda in the ballpark. Was I closer than you thought? Like i said, I am willing to learn and I am still learning. Always the student.

canadianplanter Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - I have never answered any of your questions dishonestly. Yes, that is really what happened. I slowly came to the point that I realized I was not afraid to question my faith. I realized that if god was true and loving then he would WANT me to question things. So I did start questioning why I believed certain things. Then, once I put aside my fear of going to hell, I realized that I simply could no longer accept the beliefs that I had as they were contrary to the reality of the world around me

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - I have never doubted your honesty, but it can become easy to give "general" answers to specific questions, especially to a stranger.

canadianplanter Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - No offense, but I don't think you were in the ballpark. There is a huge difference between one organism adapting to its environment vs. a very small genetic change over thousands of generations. Perhaps many people think evolution is one organism changing. If people think evolution could involve an animal suddenly changing into another species then I don't blame them for not believing it. But that is not even close to what evolution actually is.

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - I am sorry, when i said an organism I didn't mean there was just one. Anyways, whether you want to believe me or not I am trying to learn more. Now, what about my challenge to you? Will you take a look at that video?

lstavenor Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - Unlocking the Mystery of Life.

xnamansajonasx Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - @canadianplanter hey i wanna thankyou because ive always wondered what goes on in to the mind of an atheists and i must admit you do have some very good points. i wanna show a little bit more of my views, but its too long to put in the comment section. So if you add me as a friend i can show you something i wrote. all i ask is that you let me express my views to you and i do the same in return.

Luieburger Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - Just because something is written in a book doesn't mean it is true. This applies to all texts. Thats why scientists publish many of their findings as theories. Sadly, theologists can't possibly accept that their texts are just theories and are not proven fact.

ViktorSoviet33 Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - Cameron's explanation makes more sense.

nathanyanagiya99 Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - hahahaha he gave 3 or 4 exapmles of "crocoducks"

ExplosiveSheep Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - Oh Bill-O, "if you can't explain it to me, I can't understand it, if I can't understand it it can't be true." I'm so glad nobody, in his mind anyway, can be smarter than Bill.

ssmith73 Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - typical creationist response - ignore the questions, and drive on with yet more ignorance. Just what does your Darwin comment even mean? 40 years? You must have read an older idiots guide to thinking. Take your head from up your ass and join us in the real world. That world that you rely on for your health, education and entertainment - provided for you by people who took the time to educate themselves.

ssmith73 Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - ignorance is bliss - just because you think you have researched it, doesn't mean you actually have. Your dates were not just wrong, they are monumentally wrong, just like the rest of your idiocy.

lstavenor Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - Not that this is ANY of your business seeing as i was having a conversation with canadianplanter, BUT if you took the time to see that I have indeed taken the time to learn some of evolution and I intended to learn more. I don't know if anyone has told you but it is possible to have a conversation without being rude, or have yo not evolved enough yet.

lstavenor Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - You never answered my challenge question. Are you going to watch that video?

ssmith73 Says:

Nov 25, 2009 - were you not complaining earlier about the open forum nature of the conversation? You have not taken the time to learn anything - stop asking your pastor, or reading Answers in Genesis and by a basic biology book. Or go buy Richard Dawkins' latest book, he explains both how it works, and why nobody serious doubts the fact of evolution. Sorry for being rude though. canadianplanter has more patience than i do, and i salute him.