Dawkins talks atheism

silkehajen Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Actually I - unlike you - know EXACTLY what I am talking about. :-D Do some research before you dismiss this. (If you are intelligent enough) You will find that I am right. In my country and Sweden its more like 80% atheists.

gangster3591 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - kinoperezz... what's that now? [lol]

johndobson01 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Yes that is a possibility, I don't restrict my views in that respect. I was using the elephant as an example of the absurd views of the religious mind.

silkehajen Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - @GnosticReality You USED to be an atheist...? Unless you had most your brain surgically removed causing your religion, I sincerely doubt this.

johndobson01 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - We cannot even begin to explain exactly what existence is, it is an infinite regress. the absurdity of religion is the CLAIM of what existence is and how it was created(if it even was created), without even a shred of evidence.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - There is no flipside to Pascal's coin. If I'm wrong, nothing happens, there is no posthumous consciouness, I'm none the worse for it. If u're wrong, u barter away an eternity in the bliss ecstasy of an unending Elysium 4 a brief, ephemeral world that includes hurt anguish along with what you preceive to be a "better" "unrestricted" life in a world full of restrictions pain. U atheists boast of being people of reason rationale. Well, there is nothing rational about denying Pascal!

gangster3591 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Pascal's wager is now generally discredited. Pascal attacks the efficacy of reason on questions of religion. His rather complex analysis concludes with the false dichotomy: belief in a god can only benefit, while disbelief could mean oblivion, torment .. according to dogma, or to one's imagination

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - There you go with the evidence again. That's just a blatant lie, and you know it! When you can argue facts without resorting to such painfully obvious and ridiculoiusly conspicuous lies, then I would be happy to grant you a civil and mature debate. No use debating one who veers away from the known facts. Besides, I love my religion, and I find my life better, and certianly without restriction. Show me a people without reasonable restrictions I'll show u lawless anarchy

gangster3591 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - johndobson01 .. Yes, point taken

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - gangster, you talk so much crap! Really, why are you here? You have absolutely nothing compelling and insightful to add. "Generally discredited". I can say that atheism, Darwinism, Neo Darwinism and macro evolution have been more than GENERALLY discredited... so what?! If u want to contribute, tell me what has been absolutely proven as evidence for your arguments, not what some people supposedly, generally discredit. U can find someone who will contest anything. So what? Doesn't make it true.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Sweden is one country. So what? The majority of the WORLD is still theist, do some research and you'll see that I'M right. What is the population of Sweden compared to my homeland, the United States, or my adopted homeland, Egypt, both majority theist nations? Hardly a significant argument I think. Is that intelligent enough for you, Einstein?

ormyskeptyc Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - So you want proof? So do I! All the evidence POINTS to Evolution as the only way to prove how we came about. Masses and masses of evidence is out there if you would only care to have a look! Could you please prove to me, or even tell me where the evidence is, that god exists?

johndobson01 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - great point!

johndobson01 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Pascal's wager is only valid if you adopt the christian mindset, or any other religion that advocates punishment for non-belief. For example Pascal's wager would be invalid for Deists.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Actually no. Pascal's Wager is universally applicable since it wages the concept of divine castigation against any philosophy, faith or conviction that holds that there is no accountability in the hereafter for actions or deeds in this life. Deists may hold it to be invalid, but Christians, Muslims and the like would consider it applicable to them. They (the Deists) like you, are either going to die in the absolute sense posited by atheists, or they will be held to account. It's that simple.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - All evidence points to evolution? Funny how millions within the educated classes and even many within the scientific community would beg to differ, yet you speak as if this is a universally known indisputed fact. Why, then, is there, almost annually now, a discovery of the 1st transitional form plastered across the internet scientific periodicals with headlines like: "Evolutionists Finally Rejoice at the Discovery of the Missing Link!"? How many times can u finally find the 1st trans-form?

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - So where are these masses of evidence you speak of? Why doesn't the scientific community present them so the controversy can be settled? Why are there no confirmed and agreed upon transitional forms in the fossil record to the millions of fossil specimens therein?If what you assert is at all true, we would be up to are ears in fossilized transitional forms, and we'd probably see many of them living among us, but I've yet to hear of any fish walking around upright on land.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - why does the scientific community constantly boast the latest find interpreted to be a transitional form to be the "Real Deal"? How can you take these jokers seriously? "No, This Time it Really Is a Transitional Form... For Real!" Lol! Look up the term Pseudo Science, which refers to any futile pursuit of an empty hypothesis by a scientist(s) for an exorbitant amount of time (decades or centuries) with no real indication of sound findings to conclude with. I.e a phantom hunt/Goose chase.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - According to atheists, nothing exists outside of the material, the empirical, the quantative and objectively verifiable, so there is art, but no creativity; there is chemistry, but no emotion, there is peace, but no love, there is philosophy, but no spirituality, there is action, but no imagination, there is scope, but no dreams, there is lack of culpability for some, but no ultimate accountability for all. I don't think atheists deny God so much as they deny being human!

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Atheism: The belief that water originates in the well. A scientist who denies God is like a pilot who suffers from acrophobia!

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Atheism: A fish that denies water (Where's the evidence?)

th0rzhammer Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - GnosticReality is a pretty hilarious dude. His constant poo flinging and all. Looks like someone has an overactive imagination.

gangster3591 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - "There is no flipside to Pascal's coin. If I'm wrong, nothing happens, I'm none the worse for it. If u're wrong, u barter away an eternity in the bliss ecstasy of an unending Elysium 4 a brief, ephemeral world that includes hurt anguish along with what you preceive to be a "better" "unrestricted" life? in a world full of restrictions pain" ? A tour de force of reason, Mr Gnostic. Nonsense like this flunks you out of philosophy 101. I learned that the hard way in the early 70s

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - The early 70s was a long time ago. Maybe you should join us in the 21st century, where Neo Darwinian science has still made no progress.

GnosticReality Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Interesting name for an atheist, or are are gonna debate paganism too. Overactive imagination. Look who's talking, Mighty Son of Odin.