Pat Robertson Ready To Fight Against Hate Crimes Bill

JMMCL16 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Rubbish!!! Pat Robertson speaks the TRUTH and people prefer their sin to getting right with God. They would rather stay dirty then get clean. But those who do not know the Lord as their personal saviour will NOT go to heaven, thats what the Bible says, thats what Jesus said.

Hammerhead547 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - "They ain't religious but they ain't no fools, When Noah built his Cadillac it was cool Two by two they're still going down, And the satellite circus just left town I think they're strange and when they're dead They can have a Lincoln for their bed Friend of the President - trick of the tail, Now they ain't got a prayer - 100 years in jail" The entire "Moral Majority" needs to get off their high horse and STOP TELLING OTHERS HOW TO LIVE, and justify ignorance and hate, they're hypocrytes.

JMMCL16 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - We are not trying to tell others how to live, we are telling you what is in the Bible and how Gods standards have been repeatedly broken by rebellious people who are HELL bent on either hating god or denying his existence. How God puts up with us I do not know. Perhaps he will have enough of this world soon. Everyone is a hypocrite - because we all say something and then fail to keep up! but Gods standards still remain, Jesus is the Key. No way out of hell except though Christ Jesus.

JMMCL16 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - people just want to do things their way they say to God get outta here And then when the youth are running wild they wonder with a puzzle just Why that is. They long for peace, but all they get is war cos, no peace comes except though the Lord. So, carry on your merry dance But God is no fool and is not mocked for what a man reaps he also sows and his knowledge is nothing but a weed that blows, in the winds of time and the river winds on and we all must face God and his only Son. you know.

Hammerhead547 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Beyond this wall of life unknown I'll lead you where you need to go Void of worry, stress and pain Left with nothing but your name We've washed your brain and cleansed your soul Till' nothing's all you need to know Hand over your will and then you'll see Now get on your knees and worship me Worship me On your knees Worship me Religon is all about control and fear, when those things are placed in the hands of someone like Pat Robertson they're even more dangerous, Hell is a myth.

treid100182 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Pat Robertson is the ultimate American Paradox... ...Christians for more nuclear armament?... ...Robertson is the devil...he is a racist, ignorant, idealogue, who bases his beliefs on the interest groups that pay him... ...he is an exploiter of Christ, and it is disgusting.

Hammerhead547 Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - "We are not trying to tell others how to live" Oh really well what group was it that pushed for the PMRC hearings in the 1980's (IE Censorship)? oh right is was ultra conservative christians bent on "protecting the children" from hearing anything they deemed objectionable. That's a defective argument because for more than twenty years the moral majority has been trying to control the messages the media puts out with censorship campaigns against all forms of media so only their views are heard

tonysoprano216 Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - I wonder if Pat Robertson's skin starts to sizzle when he touches a bible? LOL!!!

BobfromSydney Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - I think you'd find you'd actually need to fight the issue out in court if that is the case and you probably have a better than even chance of getting a determination that atheism is a 'religious belief system' if the point is argued. Religion in this sense should be thought of as the line on a census form asking "religion".

EqualAndFree Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - There are two problems with getting atheism registered as a religion. The first is that atheists reject unsubstantiated beliefs and rely only on observable facts. The second is that science and logic could then be presented by fundamentalists as "just the beliefs of atheists" and so get removed from the school curriculum or get taught together with creationism and any other popular superstition. That would be the end of education - and is why the fundies WANT atheism to be classed as a religion.

BobfromSydney Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - I don't think there's any need to 'register' a 'religion' for it to be relevant to protection under a hate crimes category - so long as it can be shown the a person is under attack because of their beliefs they shouldn't need to be a member of an organised religion - what about a Pagan or Wican? Although you can say Atheism is not undogmatic given that science cannot prove a negative. The belief in the non-existence of a God(s) is a 'religious' belief. Are you arguing for no protections?

EqualAndFree Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - I'm saying that educationalists and scientists are very concerned that the teaching of scientific fact in schools is under threat. If fundamentalists get their way then science will be presented as just the opinion of one group and no more or less true than any belief or superstition - no more valid than Wicca. There is a danger that classifying atheism as a religion would therefore contribute to a meltdown of science education.

BobfromSydney Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - I see where you are coming from (although it's an argument from a purely political motivation) but I'd like to point out that apart from an application of Occam's Razor (which is conjectural) science to our knowledge can neither prove nor disprove either the existence of deities, spirits or souls. Hence given that the core of atheism is a statement of belief in the definitive non-existence of deities, spirits or souls it can 'qualify' as a religion for the purpose of protection.

EqualAndFree Says:

Nov 12, 2009 - Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of invisible unicorns. If a hypothesis can neither be proven or falsified and if it has no explanatory role in relation to observable events then it is neither true nor false but is simply meaningless. Science does not require a belief in the absence of invisible unicorns - it merely requires an absence of belief in them. It has no beliefs in relation to meaningless concepts.

bananito2 Says:

Nov 12, 2009 - cenk , the gay supporter at YT

2besavedcom Says:

Nov 13, 2009 - Over many years we have all been lied to by our Governments... But not just our Governments but many Religous Leaders. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false prophets. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be shocked. Blessings as you seek truth Ben

BobfromSydney Says:

Nov 13, 2009 - That statement is logically inconsistent. If science requires an absence of belief in any concept or being that cannot either be proven or disproven by science then science is dogmatic and therefore self-contradictory, as there is no scientific proof for the necessity of absence of belief in unprovable concepts in order to use scientific reasoning. So either science is true and does not require an absence of religious belief or science is false and requires an absence of religious belief.

EqualAndFree Says:

Nov 14, 2009 - The view of science is that statements are meaningful only if they are capable of being proven to be factually true or factually false. Statements that can neither be shown to be true or false are viewed as meaningless. In the view of science there is therefore no room for 'belief' because any 'belief' can either be tested (eg belief in a flat earth) or is meaningless (eg belief in invisible unicorns). Science rejects 'dogma'. 'Dogma' is belief in untestable and therefore meaningless views.

lancetop Says:

Nov 15, 2009 - pat robertson is such a great example of how man uses religions to control and oppress other men. Religion sucks. Man will be so much better off without it.

BobfromSydney Says:

Nov 15, 2009 - If science rejects all beliefs that cannot be tested then what do you think should be the basis for ethics and morality? If science can only deal with positive statements and rejects all normative statements and leaves all discussion of ethical and moral questions to philosophers then science by itself cannot be sufficient to either govern or to live life. Even scientific experiments need to be reviewed by ethics panels which include fellow scientists. What is the basis of their decisions?

EqualAndFree Says:

Nov 16, 2009 - Ethics and morality are based on the logical principles of reciprocity and consequentialism. If the consequence of my act is suffering for others then I should not do it because I would not like others to do it to me. That is testable logic and requires no beliefs. We are already governed by these logical principles - they underlie our laws, as any book on jurisprudence will show you [eg John Rawls - 'A Theory of Justice']. Ethics panels evaluate scientific experiments using utilitarian ethics.

brotmann86 Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - i think there will always be people who are just terrible like pat robertson. if they dont blame religious believes for their opinions theyll find abother way. the nazi regime is the best example. allthogh i agree with you that wrong religious believes can be very dangerous for society. and btw the chritianity preached by the gop is not what the bible is about they just abuse it for their sick believes regards from germany

lancetop Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - brotmann86, I must agree with you that the GOP and fundamentalist christians don't follow the bible. They indeed DO follow the bible. The bible is a book of pure rubbish. Full of intolerance, fanaticism, meanness, murders, sacrifices, ideas of conquest and brainwashing. And yes Jesus (if he was an actual person) was full of hideous ideas too.Delusions, ideas of grandeur etc. Christians follow the bible very well. that's why christianity is so damn evil.

Lingerfoot Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Look up - Richard Dawkins and George Carlin and Eddie Izzard and Bill Hicks on religion here on youtube. Joe Bless You.

Albtraumen Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Pat Robertson has never understood the concept of separation of church and state. Boo hoo for the poor xtian majority? Get a grip.