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Whorsquini Says:
Sep 10, 2009 - Why would aliens validate Christianity or the Catholic Church. I would think such a position assumes the conclusion. The most plausible explanation is supernatural, not extraterrestrial.
notleftbehind Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - Thats the history the Catholics gave you but my question is do you know the other history. Is been well documented historically through archeology that there has been two avenues where the books of the bible came from. One being Majority text and the other minority text. The minority that came through Egyptian gnostisc from Alexandria. Thats the other side ur church hasnt told u and if u look through history ur church is a mix of Babylonian practices which fits in with your beliefs and bible.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - The Catholic Church is founded upon the majority texts. The early Church Fathers (the very ones who practiced in a very Catholic way; e.g., St. Ignatius of Antioch on the Eucharist), argued against the minority texts that included Gnosticism. Any link you will try to make between Catholicism and mystery religion will assume some sort of link to the sacraments, which are completely orthodox given the earliest church practiced them in a Catholic manner and fought Gnosticism.
notleftbehind Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - Im sorry to tell you but they have taught you wrong. They have lied to you and I can prove what Im saying not only through scripture but also outside the bible through history and archeology.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - How will you undermine the fact that those who combated gnosticism practiced in a very Catholic manner? St. Ignatius of Antioch was hardly a gnostic. Most historians will tell you that the Eucharist was the focal point of worship for the early Church.
notleftbehind Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - There is a lot of non biblical things you guys do. You guys also adore and have a specific day in the calendar where you worship the Eucharist. Thats just crazy to say the least !
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - I thought I made it clear that non-Biblical is not a bad thing. All along I have been arguing for the Tradition practiced in the earliest Church that was passed down by Jesus, to His Apostles, and then to the 2nd generation disciples. They then used this Tradition to decide which books to use in the New Testament. You cannot arrive at the Bible as we know it without that Tradition. The fact that there had to have been a passed down Tradition is apparent in the last verse of the Gospel of John.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - And is it any surprise Catholics adore the Eucharist? It is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ. This was believed by the earliest Church and was the center of their worship practices. Any Christian historian will tell you this. Google "early church Eucharist" and click on the first site titled "therealpresence".
notleftbehind Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - You keep saying believed by the church fathers u mean your church catholic fathers. Anyways your so way off.This practice goes way back is simply a mascaraed of the practices Babylonians would have for their sun god.Thats why the wafer is shaped round and placed in the center of a sun shaped container.Goes back to the Nimrod days.A simple search of history will show you this so actually it was way before the catholic church. Dude they have really screwed with your mind and your history teaching.
notleftbehind Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - You can argue the fact that you feel thats the Lords body and blood because u take that literally n everyone else doesnt. But is it also a tradition to change Gods commandments? I mean dude look at the point you have reached of defending your organization that it has taken you to the point that you feel its ok to change Gods commandments.
Lusitanus Says:
Sep 11, 2009 - because in a catholic mind it will be the form or the image of Catholic Figures, if it was from a muslim mind it will be from Islam and so on..... what people see about supernatural or extraterrestrial will always goes to their religious beliefs.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 12, 2009 - I have not seen other supernatural events of this nature and with so much evidence of figures representing other religions. Marian apparitions are pretty frequent and usually very well documented.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 12, 2009 - You are extremely selective with your history by picking out what suits that which you already want to believe. Not only that, arguments paralleling Catholicism to mystery religion are extremely ambiguous, as nature worship would undoubtedly have some similarities to what the Word made flesh taught, being that all of nature was created through the Word.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 12, 2009 - The fact is, no credible historian of any Christian denomination will deny the fact that the sacraments were practiced by the early Chruch, many of whom also debated Gnostics, Arians, and Montanists. If you think I'm lying then look at what former Catholic bashers who came over to Catholicism have to say like Dr. Scott Hahn (Youtube him).
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 12, 2009 - No commandments were changed. What are you talking about? Please look over the historical facts first and then we can move on to other topics. Look into Dr. Scott Hahn or early Church history from any denomination's perspective. It is a solid fact that the early Christians who selected what books to put in the New Testament worshiped with the Eucharist as the focal point. Please look into it (I'm already 100% certain because I'm currently studying the early Church).
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 16, 2009 - What do you base this assumption on? And what do you say about Marian apparitions where people of different faiths see Mary (Zeitun, Egypt - See links on the side, it's there)?
Lusitanus Says:
Sep 17, 2009 - I never saw a Muslim with a Islamic faith seeing a Catholic figure,this didnt happened....and by the way why people claim to have seen so alike Catholic figures when those apparitions never appear for other religions?? maybe because most of the world and the places where those figures appear are under Catholic Religion.
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 17, 2009 - It did happen. Search this guy's videos for the apparition at Zeitun, Egypt. It should be in the side bar on the right under "More From: TheWorkOfGod ". This apparition is so well documented they even have pictures!
dacatholicbandorgan Says:
Oct 13, 2009 - This video changed my life. Today is also October 13th. We are havaing a Rain (like in Fatima) after a serious drought. Thank you America Needs Fatima!!!
dacatholicbandorgan Says:
Oct 13, 2009 - This still touches me the same it did when I first saw it.
Utubing74 Says:
Nov 4, 2009 - Its a shame that my comment has been removed. Goes to show you the one sided view of the Catholic view. Its sad , very sad. My heart goes out to them.
RockyBalboa211 Says:
Nov 8, 2009 - Well by consecrating Russia to her, she is then able to give it to her Magnificent son.
armil365riza Says:
Nov 13, 2009 - What about the Sabbath?
starbabe58 Says:
Nov 22, 2009 - this is true
Whorsquini Says:
Sep 10, 2009 - St. Ignatius of Antioch (student of John the Apostle) and the Christians of his time (and after) are the very people who decided what books to put in the New Testament. They did so using the passed down oral tradition as a guide, which originated from Jesus. Where do you think the Bible came from? The Holy Ghost guided them, but they didn't just write everything originally on the spot. They used the traditions that were passed down from Jesus to the Apostles. Without Tradition there is no Bible.