The Fountainhead - Howard Roark Speech (Ayn Rand)

jandnay Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - POWERFULL!!!

Badfellah Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Seleucus84 - The amusing part is how you hold TODAYS SITUATION against me. Off course the lobbyists are extremely influential, this is how it is today. This is why the Government has to become a lot smaller. So the lobbyists can "lobby" all they want, Government will not have power to do what they do today. This is ironical. Because these last two weeks, just this topic has been huge in Norway. A minister which was very high regarded, and right under the prime minister, quit politics and...

Badfellah Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - ...is to become a lobbyist after a quarantine period of a half year. From "protector of the state" to a lobbyist just so soon. And then you have others defending him, saying "you don't use your previous network" blah, blah, blah. What nonsense is that?! No one can be that naive. But we both know what lobbyists are and do, so no need for further explanation. This was off course no shock to me, though he was highly regarded, and it has caused fury. This is the nature of socialists/politicians.

Badfellah Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Seleucus84 - Capitalism/liberalism isn't perfect. No system is, because man is flawed. But it is much better than socialism, if we are talking about real capitalism. Not the kind USA is running, which today is fascism. I said capitalism isn't perfect, in a response to your post about fairness. You are right that it is much harder to make it as a middle class man, than born rich in a rich home. This is life. But it is exactly the same today!

Badfellah Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - ...The huge difference is that politicians will have no power. Unlike today! Today you will have a solid "head start" if you are either born rich OR born into a home of a politician (of a given size). In a more capitalistic state, it will only be under the rich. Politicians will have much, much less power. Their focus is protecting and upholding society. The rich create their own wealth, a politician takes and uses others work. And the rich thieves, they should be put behind bars! Off course!

hyylo Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Im sorry but you have clearly demonstrated to me you do not understand the basic concepts of economics. You used the word free when referring to the NHS. Who pays the workers that work for the NHS? People also have the false believe that education is free. Who pays the wages of the tutors? I would recommend you read books by Milton Friedman about economics. Alternatively search youtube for Milton Friedman Healthcare.

Badfellah Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Lastly: If taxes are to be forced on people, or not. Is really just a question of principles. I am not "religious" on this point. But now we are off course talking about taxes for the NEEDED Government roles: the police, the judicial system and the military. Military hopefully as small as possible. No person in their right mind, would refuse to pay some taxes for upholding a safe and secure state. It is only a question of principle. A "freelance citizen" will have no protection. I mean come on!

hyylo Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Im studying to become a dentist so Im fully aware of the problems of a government controlled healthcare and education system. If you do not have any family members that work in the field of healthcare you are unlikely to know what happens behinds the scenes. In addition to this the healthcare in America is heavily influenced by the government. 60% of healthcare is channelled through the government. Steve Jobs received a liver transplant within a few days via private sector.

GenericGene Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - Brilliant - Gene

PanzerDivisionBOM Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - Beautiful, beautiful presentation.

dukenthaylor Says:

Nov 11, 2009 - Even though I LOVE this speech, it sadly dawned on me that, with very few changes, BERNIE MADOFF could've made the exact same argument!

blist14ant Says:

Nov 12, 2009 - bernie maddof sacrafice his values

dukenthaylor Says:

Nov 14, 2009 - You assume that values are only good; they are neither good nor bad only. They are only CHOSEN! Now, obviously we're NO fans of Madoff. He might've sacrificed YOUR values. He might've sacrificed MY values. But he didn't sacrifice HIS values. He clearly EXERCISED HIS values! That's the stark naked TRUTH! Don't get that twisted! "HIS TRUTH was his only motive. HIS WORK was his only goal." And that's not the only reference in Roark's speech that, however conversely, ALSO applies to Madoff!

roofer10 Says:

Nov 14, 2009 - Bernie Madoff could not have made that Speach because that speach talked about INTEGRITY! Bernie Madoff IS the person turned Parasite who lived and existed off the creation of others. Their wealth. It dawned on you that only Bernie Madoff could've said those words? With that rationale, you could have come up with any other robber baron in the course of history. Surely you must know that those words dont apply to Robber Barons and Cheaters. They apply to creators.

fatherprime Says:

Nov 16, 2009 - i wonder who they murdered and framed to look like accident, a young bum? to harvest the liver from. :P

veridia Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - Everyone lives off the creation of others to an extent. We live in an integrated society. To illustrate an example, none of us here created an automobile, or an electric power generator, yet we use electricity and drive cars. This is why we have an open and free market for the exchange of goods with common legal tender backed by the good faith of the government. (fiat money) It's a good thing we have such a moralistic government in the US, as opposed to Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

veridia Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - What are the problems of a government controlled education system? I attend a state college, and have learned a lot. Of course, NLP DTI advance the learning process. Of course, terms like DTI and self efficacy were before Rand's time. Ayn Rand would have agreed with modern psychologists that we should focus more on self efficacy instead of phony self esteem.

veridia Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - Demand drives supply, just ask any business man who cuts jobs when demand falls. I have no idea how supply side theory was invented first, any rational businessman would have thought like Keynes long before they came up with supply side theory. Just because something exists, doesn't mean someone wants to buy it. Supply does not and has never driven demand. That would be the equivalent of the carriage driving the horse.

roofer10 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - Once we get back to that and Charity, not taxes, then we can begin calling our government moralistic again. Until then we can go for a ride on the slope to higher taxes and worse economy. Think about it. You are probably a smart person. Dont let your guilt get the best of you. You desreved everything you have. It defies reason and logic to stop moving forward so that we can GIVE others wealth. Goverment must "Make Sure" (Obamas phrase) that corruption does'nt creep into our society.

roofer10 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - Think deeper into the issues of what they are doing today and you might find that its not so moralistic to take over private Companies and run Banks and redistribute wealth. I see nothing moral in telling us that we need to take from Peter to pay Paul for no other reason than to make it fair and to support our Values (Not my values). I dont see that as moralistic. I do however see moralism in keeping a system (Capitalism) that allows for freedom and ingenuity for all to strive for.

roofer10 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - The Government in America is an imperfect entity in which Integrity and honesty are relied upon in order to keep itself from becoming self serving and too big. If you dont see that corruption and dishonesty have creeped into our Government from top to bottom then shame on you. You will be in the crowd of suprised people when we collapse under our own so called Values and Morals that the Government of today keeps telling us is the basis for why they do everything.

roofer10 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - The Government morphes into a giant thing that does not resemble nor do what it was intended to do. You and others like you are perfectly content with placing your full trust in the Government without thinking about the slippery slope on which your trust is based on.

andrew18651 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - wow, the most obvious INTP personality type ive ever seen. I feel proud now = D

ErikNikolai Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - That would be INTJ. He's a judging, uncompromising, and highly focused individual. ;-)

andrew18651 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - haha intp's can be the same way in the right environment, like he's in. I say he's probibly an INTP because his focus is on individual freedom ( which both types beleive strongly, intps a bit more so usually) and that he's doing it to the point of expressing his opinion clearly and bluntly ( for a 40's 50's film anyway).