Noam Chomsky vs. William F. Buckley Debate : Part 1 of 2

XKG80 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - What do Gallup polls have to do with whether a government should control citizens' health care? In any case, we'll see how your Gallup polls hold up after 2010.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - You said name a country in the region that viewed Iraq as a threat. I named one. You lost.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - I can't believe you don't see the danger in government control of health care. You don't see how a population could be held hostage by its government? You don't see how dangerous that is? I don't dispute that health comes before war. On the issue of Iraq, I merely explained that there are two sides, i.e., the Kurdish point of view or others. Again, you are blind to the other side, just like Chomsky is blind. I'm not saying you're wrong. Just saying there is another side to the story..

XKG80 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - Governments controlling the supply of food is 10 times more dangerous than markets controlling the supply. I trust Bill Gates more to feed the world than I do Kim Jong Il. But that's just me. Did we learn nothing from Stalin?

XKG80 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - And here's your version of "liberty." Lose half your income to state and federal taxation. Of 100 bucks, you keep about 60. Lose another chunk on property tax. That's another 10%. We're down to 50 bucks. Lose another 10% when you spend it. Down to 40 bucks. Then when you die, the govt takes half. We're down to 20 bucks. So in an 8 hour workday, you worked 2 hours for yourself and 6 for the govt. THAT'S CALLED SLAVERY.

idlepink17 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - XKG80--As for the 2010 elections, you can already feel the rumble in the soil.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - Yeah. And I had no idea Gallup is what determined the constitutionality of this ridiculous "public option" plan which is purposefully designed to destroy a perfectly legal industry in the private sector.

ZenishOne Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - Is it just me or is Noam Chomsky's books,speeches,and life time work like a Bible not in a religion form but allowing a different perspective to whom believe or dream in a better world....somewhat like socialism which isn't a negative view at all if you really analize the meaning of the word!

stfuyouchav Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - If you're going to pretend to be Nozick, you should probably read 'Anarchy, State, Utopia' before spouting your poorly calibrated and somewhat misinterpretted reconstruction of his ideas.

stfuyouchav Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - XKG80, your stupidity disgusts me. You begin by making an assertion that is contradicted by all evidence: Governmental aid, Governmental rationing and Governmental subsidization is responsible for feeding the majority of the worlds population, not market forces. You then present a false dichotomy, implying that the only alternatives open to us are capitalism or a failed communist model. I'm going to go easy on you kid, because you're obviously still in high school, but do grow up

stfuyouchav Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Not one of the assertions Buckley begot survived Chomsky's refutation.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Make sure you say the right thing or the state may haul you away.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - When the personal attacks fly, you know you've won the argument. Here, I'll translate what you said: "You begin by making an assertion that is contradicted by [what the STATE told me.]" Like a Marxist, you bought into the emotional capitalism vs communism propaganda model. You live in that bubble without escape. For me, it isn't about that. It is simply that people should be leary of slavery to the state. Unfortunately, some go willingly...

XKG80 Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Not one? If you believe that, it shows how blind you are. I'm not telling you this because I want you to be blind. I want you to be smarter. It's pretty amazing that you cannot sympathize with Stalin's (genocide: 30 million?) attempt to put Greece behind the Iron Curtain. Darn those Greeks for opposing a foreign genocidal force! Oh, no, it was an American conspiracy to impose a regime on them! Sorry.

TheAllybhoy Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Its not a danger in many other countries, and all it leads to is cheaper healthcare that is more widely available. Do you not see the danger in profit making corps controlling healthcare?

XKG80 Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Oh, absolutely! Yes! But the state is worse. An interesting question to ask: Which motive is more sinister--profit motive or political motive? I find profit motive to be more efficient, slightly less corrupt than political motive.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Also, when a company fails, it fails. It's dead and gone, hopefully replaced by its better, fairer competitors. When a government fails, all of us have to eat it. If there is to be government health care, let states do it, so if the govt does fail, the damage is minimalized and localized. A collapse of federal health care could be disastrous. Having small pockets of govt health care (e.g. within states and not nationally) is a hedge against a massive collapse.

Tougemaster06 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - @XKG80 If a company fails, people's livelyhoods get busted up. They suddenly don't have money to purchase things that preserve their existence. Thats why some things should be on the basis of need, not cash.

Tougemaster06 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - @XKG80 You are enslaved to money.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - One company of many failing is less damaging to a nation than its entire federal government failing.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - You don't work, you don't eat.

Tougemaster06 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - "A class of labourers, who live only so long as they find work, and who find work only so long as their labour increase capital. These labourers, who must sell themselves piecemeal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and are consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market." - Karl Marx What worth is it to work if we aren't working for ourselves?

Tougemaster06 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - @XKG80 If only the economy had no relation to to society, which we know is false. Society and Economics are intertwined.

XKG80 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - And thus it is best to remove the government apparatus as much as possible so that people actually do work for themselves and not government.

Ianmcgregorable Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - Soon after Buckley died, Chomsky said some nasty things about him then whined he was only on this program once. I can see why he was never invited back. He argues by making infantile stabs on semantics. I know someone just like this. They have no interest in addressing what you say. They just constantly attack exactly how you say everything. You can have a meaningful conversation with these sad sacks.