PT3 of 7 Reply to 10q for screwed people - School Shootings

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 18, 2008 - They used an existing 1914 survey and did that survey a decade ten years ago. The numbers in 1996 showed no change from 1914 So why in two years the big jump? Russian immigrants? The numbers that they report do not include agnostists or people who say they don't know. Disbelief or doubt, as the survey stated. 1914 survey? 100 years of advancement in survey science, ignored and a spike in two years. Sounds like a corrupt sample. 1914 1933 1996 1998 Fishy Fishy

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - Not at all. It is not a belief it is a knowlege. I would hardly call the wars of Jesus fake nor his prophecy that he came to bring war to the earth. Lets hope someone doesn't come with a cross to your door tough guy. But then again Jeffry Dammer claimed it was his athiests belief that allowed him to kill. But his father was a christian author and it wasn't till Jeffrey started attending church with grandma that he became a mass murderer. Sins of the father? Hells fairytales?!

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - For fairy tales, visit my favorites and study well. God's signs are all around, their just not the peaches and cream type. God sends those he hates into Jesus. Jesus came to burn up those fallen not give them a free ticket to heaven. You see it, that's why you are who you are.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 21, 2008 - Note: " fake science atheists" was not referring to NAS. To clarify, I was attempting to state that the survey has nothing to do with the people running around pretending to be science based as their reason for atheism. If fact the survey has nothing to do with God either. It is the opinions of man, the majority of which, whether religious or not, are failing God's test. "The road is narrow"= groups of religious fanatics all suffering the same curses on the same road is not the right road.

podiumman2 Says:

Jul 21, 2008 - So you admit god is hateful? Hmmmm

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 21, 2008 - Hateful is a bad description because it uses the word full. God loves, is indifferent and hates and all the shades in between. He is tolerant and he gave us a choice so we chose to go pagan and recieve this death religion. Jesus followers did not hear him say he came to kill them. How could anyone deny it? Burn up the chaf, cast a fire on the earth, bring war, have brother turn brother over for death, put an axe to the root of Israel, ect..

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 21, 2008 - Nice name. Looks like you have it figured out.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - You're entitled to your opinion. But so far you have quoted out of context and stated that sinners and guilty eople are innocent. Got no need to agree with that. My selection fo one book of bible is not for convienince, it is logic and goes with the criticism of the prophets. We are required to listen to those people who qualify as prophets. If God sends a prophet to tell us the people running the religion are corrupt, we should listen, no?

ulthea Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - No, actually, I have not misquoted one passage, and have stated no such thing in regards to sinners. You again are assuming yours is a truth, which would be quite irrational. Your selection is only convenience, you have not displayed one ounce of logic - it seems you feel that you have discovered some untold secrets of the bible despite the many learned scholars who would disagree with you. In this way, you have shown the bible to be a book of choosing for yourself.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - Youre a dreamer. My selection is logic. It is the only book in the first person. If Moses wriote a book, it would be in the first person. I don't who agrees with me. Learned scholars are not my heros, they are yours. ..and yes your saying God killed innocents is a misquote because you didn't get include the part where Moses states they are not inncoent.

ulthea Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - "and yes your saying God killed innocents is a misquote because you didn't get include the part where Moses states they are not inncoent" And you do not seem to understand what a contradiction is. There is AS MUCH evidence for other passages as there is for Moses, collectively there is NO evidence to suggest that God inspired it. A child born IS innocent, and says so a few times in your bible, once in DEU as I stated. It is another case of you ignoring that which does not make sense.

ulthea Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - "Youre a dreamer..Learned scholars are not my heros, they are yours." Yes I have many dreams, and yes I have a great appreciation for the powerful minds in our history and today. Unlike yourself, they study with unbiased minds towards something greater - they are not held back as you are by an ignorance of truth. They have also taught us a lot, and have brought us much of the luxuries we have today, from electricity to medicine - and continue to strive for answers.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - Again you misquote. That passage is about enforcing the rules within the nation of Israel and has nothing to do with the sins of the father being the sins of the son in God's accounting, nor anything to do with war against others such as pagans. Unless you have some other passge to support, your incorrect.

ulthea Says:

Jul 30, 2008 - Nowhere is there a law that God has announced he follows in the bible, so you can either assume that he is above moral accountability, or take the word that "God is Love". If you follow the first standpoint, then what you worship is no better than the evil that most people name Satan. If the latter, then we can surmise that indeed DEU 24:16 was a moral standpoint of God himself. Either way, He was indeed the moster in this fairytale, any moral person would understand this. Try harder.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 30, 2008 - God had Moses tell us he is righteous. He also gave fair warning. God is God, he is not love he is not hate, these are just emotions. Again you go with the binary logic lie that he must be all good or all bad. Laughable salesman tactics. God will be what God will be. This is a translation of the answer gave to Moses when Moses asked who shall I say sent me. Deut 24 cannot be for God as God layed out his entire sturcture on blessinsg on curses. Its context is that it is for us.

ulthea Says:

Jul 30, 2008 - You continue to twist the passages to suit yourself, interpreting them as you like. The bible states many times that God is a great and righteous being, yet he falls short of "moral" most of the time. Regardless, I am still awaiting actual evidence, I have argued your delusion with none - shall we move to science where I fortell you will again fall short?

returnthesoapbox Says:

Jul 30, 2008 - Imagine an atheist goes up to the observation deck of a sky scraper-At the top there will be a wonderful view. The atheist asks, what happens if I break the glass and jump. The guide states it is against the law to break the glass and jump, besides you will die. The atheist states what a monster is the man who made this building and those rules. Once again it is choice whether you break the rules and die a terrible death. God delegates. Bad men are sent. Just listen to C. Manson speak.

NibbitsForLife Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - You're not making sence. The killing begins in the old testament where he created two brothers, one of them so jealous he kills the other, then punishes his creation for acting after its nature. Then, you presume the viewer, in this case me, will use these texts to ridicule god. First of all, I don't need to. The texts, in modern days, do that for themselves. Second, if they seem rediculess exlained in a logical way, there is a chance they're are simply that: rediculess.

NibbitsForLife Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - Third, how can you say this god isn't responsible for death? In you're thinking... The instance he even thought of creating this existence, he became responsible for everything, since god is the source of everything. The possibility for 'evil' in every nuance of the word, to exists is because god came up with it. This is called, the problem of evil, and every theological attempt by any of the three desert dogma's wherever whenever to find a suitible humane solution to it, have shamelesly failed.

NibbitsForLife Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - I will think ahead of you, because I've had this discussion so many times. You will jump from evil to devil, and from devil to seduction and human free will. 1. The devil was created by god as an angel of light. Being god means you know all the facts, so the moment he came up with existence, with an angel of light, he knew that this angel would betray him. god however, created him nonetheless.

NibbitsForLife Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - I will think ahead again and state for you, which you are probably going to do, is that 'god told them', as if this simple statement would make the fact that adam and eve don't know the difference between good and evil, go away. You might argue they know good, but no evil and obeying god is good, but if evil is the experience of not obeying god, and in their nature, not have eaten from the fruit, they could only, like machines, not knowing good/evil, obey god, how could they? =)

NibbitsForLife Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - my characters ran out, deleted some text but now it's incomplete, the rest should be, how could they disobey god? =) The snake came along and created a sort of vacuüm they hadn't experienced before 'free will' (impossible by their nature but god wrote it, did a bad job). The fruit is now like a hint that says 'don't follow up on me'. If you can not follow up on a hint that says 'not follow up on me', tell me and I will send you a crate of the finest jupiler beer we have here in the netherlands.

NibbitsForLife Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - well, some mistakes there from my side '..if you can not follow up..' should be 'if you can follow up' and one post that youtube seemes to have dismissed entirely. I have to go now, but I will probably follow up on this, if time allowes. The last post was about adam and eve, being seduced by the snake and that seduction, if you don't know good and evil, is not possible because you can only follow after your nature. Try to understand me and come up with a good counter, I like mental fencing. ^_^

wtf379 Says:

Sep 1, 2008 - ulthea, your comment about God not following the Bible is contradictory and as a result, I will flame you to no end. Listen closely now. THE BIBLE IS A COLLECTION OF GOD'S WORD. HE DOES NOT FOLLOW IT, HE BASICALLY MADE IT. Nibbits says it is nature to kill. No. It is our own twisted emotion that tells us to kill. it was not God's intent for us to kill, but because people followed their feelings rather than God, Adam and Eve were tempted, and so were the brothers.

wtf379 Says:

Sep 1, 2008 - You were right about the angel. But then you failed. I will not speak for God, but I will say what I have to say on the matter. From what I understand, God created everything out of love. The only reason we have death and evil is because 1), we brought it upon ourselves and 2) as a test to test our faith. You sin, you kill, etc., you fail. Just like you cheat on a test, you fail. And if you fai, you have to repeat the test over and over and over again. Hence being born again, and suffering again