Jeremy Camp - This Man

JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - So God gives us the gift of knowledge, but only to use for certain things? Shouldn't it be one way or the other? He gives us free will and knowledge, but unless we want to go to hell, we have to keep a limit on what we can do? Then God's plan for mankind is certainly a very cruel one, in which we must retain our abilities that he gave us, in order to please him. Then why give us knowledge and reason at all? Why wouldn't he simply design humans as thoughtless beings in an "ant farm" like earth?

JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - If that is the case, then why does prayer have to be divine intervention. It could very well be a psycho-biological occurrence in which the mind believes the body is healed, and in the process, the body heals itself. The brain can do things that cant always be explained. Look up Cotard syndrome. Cotard sydrome patients believe they are missing body parts such limbs. To them, the limb is gone, when in reality it is there. Perhaps a strong faith in prayer makes the pain gone, but it is still there

JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - What you say is exactly why religion is keeping us from advancing in stem cell research. Stem cells have potential for great things, but religions find it as playing God's role. Why are we held back... by fear of the drastic consequences the God will put into effect? If anything, an unexplainable intervention would prove God's existence, and religious people would be rewarded for refraining from "taking God's place"

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - Of course, prayer can be part of the psycho-bio occurrence. I know about Cotard syndrome and it has been proven that even having a window in a hospital patient's room can improve their rate of recovery because it bring a sense of hope and healthiness. But that doesn't mean that prayer could not have helped too. I am just simply saying that I believe prayer can help in any event, not only because of the psycho-biological ramifications of praying, but also because of divine intervention.

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - Simply because He loved us enough to allow us to make our own choices and enjoy our lives here in any way we so choose. But because of our direct disobeying of His commandments in Eden, we fell from eternal life and were exiled from the paradise of joy. Even so, he still gives us both knowledge and free will because these make us happy and also give us the ability to turn back to God despite our sin. It's just all our choice.

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - No, I'm not necessarily saying that there will be an unexplainable intervention here on Earth. I'm just saying that it could in some way make God angry and we might have to individually face the consequences in the life to come. And if we follow your reasoning, then why not just keep having genocides until God has to show us His power manifested on Earth again? Not only would this make God angry, but it would also be putting His power to the test (Luke 4, temptation in the desert).

goldheartagram777 Says:

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JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - It may be your belief that prayer has healing properties, but there is certainly no real evidence of it. If a single person has had an illness and prayed, and they believe it was their prayer that healed them, then that is a personal experience that they cannot expect other people to simply believe in. This is why testimonials of Christianity have no power. They are entirely personal, and cant be expected to influence anyone.

JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - I'm not saying that we should tempt God, or in any way try to insult him, but why should we hold ourselves back if obviously he is not angered enough by our sinful use of science. If that is the case, then on the day of judgement, it would be entirely fair to question God. If he asks why we didn't stop cloning (or any other "wrong" science), we could simply say, "Why didn't you stop us?"

JesusFreak2700 Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - You dont EVER question God.. end of comment

JesusFreak2700 Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - And God cant stop us because he gave us free willa n dif he took away that free will, he would be a liar. Which he is not

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - And there is no evidence against the power of prayer either. Even when someone isn't completely healed or whatever the case, the prayer still could have helped, both psycho-biologically and directly. But in the same way, scientists perform experiments and then tell us what to believe in. We have no personal experimentation to judge these facts on, no hands-on confirmation that everything they tell us is true. You believe scientists and whatever they say, but it's the same thing.

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - No, that is incorrect. Just because God hasn't intervened in some unexplainable world event doesn't mean he approves of our actions. In the same token, if he doesn't always intervene when we are about to sin, should we take it as evidence that he must approve of what we are doing? Of course not. Again, He gave us free will. Also, He promised us in the Old Covenant after the flood of Noah that He would never again destroy life on Earth by something like a flood, no matter how much He disagrees.

JonDeth Says:

Nov 18, 2009 - If some guy named Jesus showed up and couldn't die, I would burn him with a flame thrower until there was nothing left to regenerate life.

JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Actually, scientists do have evidence... That is why medicine is what it is. We don't simply give a fluid to someone and hope that it works. We have given names to medicines that treat different things, because we have studied the human body over and over, and we have determined that certain substances work in certain ways. On the flip side, prayer may work on a psycho-biological level, but there is no evidence of it working from a form of divine healing. It just isn't plausible.

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Likewise, we have countless instances where prayer has worked, at least to some person's perspective. Just as we have countless instances where a treatment has worked for a patient, at least to the doctor's perspective. And you can't say that prayer isn't plausible... There are infinite things that are "not plausible" that have indeed been true (natural phenomena, and even the existence of the universe). Just because something is "not plausible" to you doesn't mean it is not true.

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Not to mention there are obviously countless cases where prayer may have helped other than in health-related situations. For example, someone could pray that something very unlikely would turn out a certain way. If the prayer is a "success," it is not because it was a psycho-bio effect, but rather quite possible that there could have been a higher power involved. You might still say this can't be proved, but again, can you even prove that the prayer didn't help?

XsavethetreesX Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - I love God

hwiseman1 Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - In our culture and in many indigenous non-European cultures, our medicine never replaced G-d. This is the source of unbelief in western society. They do not consider the source of the medicine that heals. In my culture, healing is not only "scientific' through chemicals, it encompasses body and soul and the main connector is to the Creator. G-d exists. Some men have forgotten and replaced themselves on the throne.

smartylollypop Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - i cry when ever i hear this song!!!!!!!!!!!!!

giddymoon Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - This video makes me bawl like a baby every time.

JumpBradJump Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - In the same respect, you could say that luck works the same way though... was it really prayer, or was it just luck? Couldn't one get the same idea of prayer by rubbing a golden buddha statue and thinking it will bring them fortune? So why the Christian God? Why not Buddha, or Brahman, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? People pray to them and receive the same effect.

rams9919 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - If you are putting your faith in Scientists i feel bad for you . Most Scientists can't ever agree on some issues. For example Global warming one says we are at fault then another says no way.

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - I'm not even going to get into the issue of commenting on or insulting other religions. I really respect other religions, like Buddhisim or Hindi. But all I'm saying is that prayer is powerful. You can justify denying that as much as you want, but the truth is that you have no proof whatsoever that prayer cannot help the sick or the needy. In fact, as you said before, it can at least bring psycho-biological benefits. And maybe God just has compassion on anyone who prays to a higher power?

pUrN3rG Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - But we have been arguing over words and very detailed points for a while now... Let us take a step back and assess what exactly it is that has pushed you so far from the faith you once had? Is it really because you believe that you have reasoned out everything and concluded that your reason firmly eliminates the possible existence of a God? Forgive me if I sound insulting, but I am not trying to insult you whatsoever. Just trying to get to the point, so sorry if I sound offensive.