George Carlin: Religion is Bullshit

tr6tpdwn Says:

Nov 19, 2009 - Richard Dawkins and George Carlin hey maybe evolution is true? and some just missed the link! the authority of evolution and unbelief! Hey George Hows the view? I am the Evidence!

SounzNice Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - one of the best 10 minutes spent on youtube thanks

mc0558 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - darkstar "Fuck yourself" - wow, what a contribution to human thought. Mind blowing! I'd bet you have a long record of similar brilliant insights. Your whole life is probably of a succession of "fuck yourselves" . You deserve the Nobel Prize.

mc0558 Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - 2/2 Religion sustains the lives of billions of people now and throughout history, and it is the inspiration towards artistic creativity, whether it be sculptors in New Guinea or painters in Florence. Atheism creates nothing, which is not to say that an atheist cannot be highly creative only that in itself atheism inspires nothing. Indeed it is a bottomless pit. Every person knows him/herself to be special. That knowledge unlies our culture and is based on our religion. Do not tamper with it!

Ma1iface Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - perhaps people shouldn't need to believe in a mystical man floating around and making laws about beings which mean as much to him as a grain of sand to me, to create art.. perhaps if we didn't spend a 3rd of our lives worshipping some guy who probably doesn't exist we would find inspiration in something else.. but most of all my argument is this.. why is someone who is supposedly omnipotent interested in whether I pray to other alters? is he really on that much of an ego trip he needs my prayer?

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - scientists who are atheists haven't contributed and sustained humanity in any way? many philosophers, artists, architects also atheistic, free thinkers, agnostic who have contributed in ENORMOUSLY, i find it incredible that anyone could ignore this. a majority of people have been indoctrinated into religion at birth, not so with atheism, one became atheist out of thought not indoctrination. Atheism follows no doctrine, but its this that leaves them objective, creative and critical thinking.

mc0558 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - I never said that there no scientists who have made significant contributions who have not been at the same time atheists. What I said was that atheism was not their inspiration. I am saying that religion IS inspirational to carvers in New Guinea's jungles or to Mozart in Vienna. It also inspires Islamic suicide bombers, true. I have said atheistic belief is not agnostic nonbelief; it is no more rational than religious belief. indeed less so, as many people have testified to God's existence.

mc0558 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - "How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the...horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? ...Must not lanterns be lit in the morning?"

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Peoples testimony is NOT evidence it is anecdotal. as i stated before, what atheism does is open ones mind to more than indoctrinated beliefs that may prejudice their views especially scientific. Who are you to say that Atheism doesn't inspire how one views our universe, art, humanity...an objective view is paramount to science, unlike the wishful needs of theists looking for supernatural absolutes without explanation, but through the naturalist eyes and critical thinking.

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - " have said atheistic belief is not agnostic nonbelief; it is no more rational than religious belief." It is a very rational response to not take seriously beliefs of which there are many and have been throughout human history. still not having proven beyond doubt the existence of their chosen deity, it is rational to not believe until there is substantial evidence beyond a doubt, just as it is rational to take into consideration evidence in a court of law.

mc0558 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - 1. Of course people's testimony is evidence; otherwise how would juries convict? If it takes the testimony of 5 eyewitnesses to convict a man with a corpus delicti present, then maybe it would take the testimony of 10,000 to establish a body of evidence FOR God, as no corpus delicti is in evidence. I am not arguing that this is final proof, but it is evidence. 2. Who am I? I am just me. Who should I be? 3. No FINAL PROOF is possible [Wittgenstein], and I have never said there was, just evidence.

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - There is a hierarchy of evidence which testimony is not rated highly DEPENDING on the type of 'witness' for example, religious anecdotal experiences aren't even considered 'evidence' much less proof for the existence of god. Someone claims god told him to kill his children is not considered an insanity defence either, nor experiencing god a supernatural thing considered 'evidence' at all, at least not a secular court, perhaps to a theocratic one.

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - It's misleading to claim ALL testimony is considered evidence, it really depends on who is listening for a secular court, not a chance, in the vatican, maybe. Physical eyewitness accounts of physical events is taken more seriously than a bunch of baptists doing the electric boogaloo on the floor due to being overcome with the spirit of which no one else can see or experience bar those experiencing it at the time. 'i don't have to belong to any organization or group to experience the sea'

mc0558 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Let's not going down the road of psychotics who killed their kids. We both no that for all the millions of people who claim divine intervention in their lives, they are an aberration. Nearly all testimony, even in court is anecdotal--it can't be scientifically proven. You would be mistaken if you though that the majority of people who testify to mystical experiences are weak minded, supersititious or brainwashed. It is not real for you but it is for them..

mc0558 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - I agree with much of what you say about the rational response to religion except that I consider testimony more valuable than you do. If a sane person says to me such and such happens, I will present to him rational explanations. If he handles these challenges well, I then begin to sonsider the "possibility" that the testimony is more evidentiary that I initially thought. Pascal dealth with many of these issues and concluded that the evidence was weighty enough to contemplate belief.

carthonasi08 Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - I don't understand the problem you have with me, but your opinion is noted.

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - I am suspicious of religious experiences because it appears muslims don't have supernatural christian experiences (at the most very very rare) Hindu's don't tend to experience Zoroastrian experiences. I wonder, can so called spiritual experiences be objective? Because they appear to be prejudiced by whatever selected belief system one chooses. Is science so selective? I don't really think so, not real science anyway. Eyewitness accounts can be collaborated by video or camera evidence.

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - alleged supernatural experiences can be considered another reality worthy of belief, is it unreasonble to say that being indoctrinated into religion from birth can influence ones decisions regarding supernatural experiences, they automatically contribute such experiences to fit into their belief system claiming this is evidence for God one must first question, how do you know this is god Define clearly what is god How do you know it's not an illusion, another force at play, or natural

CosmicMutty Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - To claim ANY experience is evidence in support of god without first examining such evidence as one would normally be required to in a secular environment is dishonest. When dealing with the supernatural extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and not just 'i saw god'

gonsloog Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - i dont have any evidence for re-incarnation (never said i did btw if you wanna re-read what i put), but it's a much better thought than heaven and hell. I don't really believe in it that much being an atheist but if i had to choose something I'd choose that.

mc0558 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - However the experience is dressed up, it comes in a set form. God knows your heart or has recieved your prayer, etc. and he is acting on it. The message is usually delivered in the head by a messanger, not God per se. Notinfrequently it happens to agnostics who live in hope but don't know that God exists at all. Of course, it's not science. Science is of this universe; religion is in the wider sphere of the cosmos and unproveable. But it is evidence of a kind. And important evidence!

mc0558 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - Of course these experiences can be viewed as psychotic episodes. Define God. . . . No! For purposes of our discussion, I am prepared to use the Merriam Webster dictionary which you can Google.

b0omshakab0om Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - legendary video

mc0558 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - By all means, examine the evidence. Btw, I don't know of anyone who says they saw God. They say they saw saints and angels. More often they "heard" it in the mind, but it wasn't a recognizeable them speaking to themselves. It was a message delivered by a messanger. God, it seems, is tied to every individual but is very far away. Anyway, the Catholic Church maintains an office in Rom that has has been investigating all these things for cnturies and with degree of surprising objectivity.

mc0558 Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - landsdown44 - Your are absolutely right. They know nothing about the subject because its perameters lie beyong their universe. Still, you would have thought they would remain open minded on the subject. I suspect the reason they don't is because religions tell them they must'n't do what their apetites make them want to do more than anything else. "Sex, drugs, rock n roll and "me-ism" are sins, very grave sins. And being cowardly they don't want to hear that!