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rashock12 Says:
Oct 29, 2009 - I'm guessing that when you say you can guarantee us the people would demand a government, you're talking about yourself. What Ron is trying to do is make people wake up and realize more government is not the answer. So don't make assumptions when you have no support to back them up. You say it doesn't work, but you don't say why it wouldn't work.. therefore you made a completely empty claim.
Saxe333 Says:
Oct 30, 2009 - I thought he was talking about reducing the size of government not removing it.
Saxe333 Says:
Oct 30, 2009 - Cant agree with you there. The American government did what was expedient not what was prudent although occasionally the two coincide.
Saxe333 Says:
Oct 30, 2009 - How else is he going to know what you think if not by what you said? Duh! Lack of immigration control isnt behind terrorists being on American soil its the fact that your constantly interfering militarily politically and economically all over the world which generates hatred and therefore terrorism. How do you know he doesn't know the history of the mid-east ? Do you know?
scienceofthings Says:
Oct 30, 2009 - It's apparent he doesn't know any of Mid_east History. I offered him the opportunity to correct me. The U.S. government re-issued visa applications to the 9/11 terrorists about a year after the attacks? Remember that? Sounds pretty broken and irresponsible to me concerning immigration. Interfering is what we must do occasionally. I'm if-y when it comes to Paul's stance on that. American "interference" isn't the fundamental reason for the hatred shown to us.
scienceofthings Says:
Oct 30, 2009 - Many of these people hate just because we are so successful. It's true. The age-old jealousy which evolves into envy. Our country has been so great in it's methods for sustaining a quality of life desired by so many people who truly know how awful life can be. That is why they flock here legally and illegally to be here. That immigration is the testament of America's greatness.
Saxe333 Says:
Nov 1, 2009 - Occasionally? Who says you do? Its just imperialism which I find very funny. The hatred comes from you ever increasing heavy handedness to everyone else. If you think the rest of the world isnt keeping score your a fool. Let your guard down or become week and they will rip you apart.
Saxe333 Says:
Nov 1, 2009 - I think you need to get over your self. People go to where the work is, simple as that.
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 1, 2009 - This isn't about me, nice try. You actually agreed with me. Exactly, believe it or not, fellow pampered Americans, being able to live in land with a government which isn't collapsing every decade so you can work with some sense of stability is another testament to America's greatness. Just one example: Mexico attempts to keep a lid on the rest of Latin America so only the Mexican unemployed can illegally come to the U.S.
Ramshobraja Says:
Nov 3, 2009 - Funny how this is all before the economic collapse due to wall street. Government support, artificially of low home prices for those that can't afford it contributed to the downfall. As did lack of government doing its job to stop fraud.
hardkoreham Says:
Nov 8, 2009 - Lol you can't really believe what you say. Just listen to what every terrorist says after an attack, their answers are always the same. They attack us because of our intervention and double standards in the area. ex,.) When Iraq tries to gain territory we start a war, when Israel tries to gain territory we give them money. Not shocking why someone on the raw end of that deal wouldn't like it, and won't be shocking when another terrorist attack happens because of it.
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 9, 2009 - You are making analogies without looking at the purpose of the parties in each conflict. That is ignorant and dangerous. Humanity isn't perfect, but we have some historical bright spots. America being a major one that is bared out because some many people try to get here legally and illegally. Israel has been more than fair with it's neighbors who want that state dead. One side would love peace the other side sees peace as dead Israelites! Purpose and principles are everything!
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 9, 2009 - If you blindly throw out analogies without examining history, you are being a fool with poorly thought out decisions. If you think or hope humanity will evolve into a peaceful race on its own with government help or control, then you are a dangerous fool to intelligent free people anywhere.
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 9, 2009 - LMAO "How can you be a good republican if you don't campaign for the republican candidate?" Wow, talk about a tool who doesn't get it!
hardkoreham Says:
Nov 10, 2009 - What's the different motivation? Iraq wanted to gain, Israel wanted to gain land. Just because one group of people follows the same lie book you read doesn't make it justified. I did find your comment about Palestinians wanted Israelites country gone funny though, seeing as how Palestine has already been wiped off the map by Israel and Israel would never recognize it's right to exist.
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - I attended a conference on Israeli-Palestinian relations and history. The Israeli's demeanor was calm and precise. The Palestinians demeanor was outrage and they railed against anything he said including talking over him. No Palestinian had answers for the Israeli when he told the DOCUMENTED history of Israel's peace offers and then asked the Palestinians what they thought Palestine and Israel should do. The Palestinians just talked over him.
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - Israel made land gains in war AFTER THEY WERE ATTACKED. Iraq attempted to gain land by ATTACKING Kuwait. It's called history...you find it in books which you must read.
hardkoreham Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Lol kids are so cute, even the uneducated ones. Google "Solana peace agreement" Google "EU timetable for peace" Google "US plea for settlement halt" Google "Annapolis deal" Google "Quartet agreement" Those are the ones off the top of my head, now i'm sure you'll coincidentally find a way to say all those peace agreements are garbage but all you have to do is take 5 minutes of learning and you'll realize you're entire stance on the subject is so idiotic it borders on insanity.
scienceofthings Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - That was all very interesting but you still didn't address anything on self-defense (Israel) vs aggression (Iraq) principles. You just went off on a tangent about past and present peace agreements. Stay on topic.
hardkoreham Says:
Nov 13, 2009 - If someone were practicing self defense wouldn't they have a desire for peace? You said Israel has been trying for peace, I gave 5 examples in the last 3 years that 100% proves otherwise. Iraq was an aggressive nation, so is Israel, yet our policies towards both have been 180 degrees different and people in the middle east have the basic common sense to see what you are unable to see and hence they get angry and react accordingly.
American5Patriot Says:
Nov 15, 2009 - The 2008 Presidential Campaign for Ron Paul was just a dry run, he and his message will be even MORE POPULAR in the next election! Why won't the Republican Party recognize that WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND REAL CHOICES for President; the current status quo just proves the Republocrats are just one big party and the candidates are chosen by the Rockefellers and the CFR. MSM works the crowds and tells them what to believe by repeating the lies and only promotes their chosen ones!
rajasmasala Says:
Nov 18, 2009 - I'm a bit disturbed by Ron Paul because he is even more extreme than my conception of things. If Paul's stuff goes through, America would be utterly different from anything that's been before. All the same I really, really like him. I can't see any important thing wrong with his thinking, except the question of how he can actually stop corporatism. I can see how it can happen but then I'm not the best predicter of things. This business of gold silver is just ridiculously silly. Show me e-gold.
dblogproductions Says:
Nov 19, 2009 - Raj, It wouldn't be different than anything we've seen before. It would be a return to the principles the Republic was founded on. It should be the duty of citizens/Citizens to read an understand the Constitution. There are rules to the game but if people don't know them how can they decide what gov can and can't do? The POTUS should be a ref. not a puppet with the whistle in their pocket.
rajasmasala Says:
Nov 19, 2009 - yup, but the problem is not the currency itself, it's the sheer leverage finance corporations have been able to use on it. Gold silver, unless heavily leveraged, would utterly collapse the economy and slow everything down irredeemably. US corporations move out, then come back in from a new imperial centre.



rashock12 Says:
Oct 29, 2009 - It's not as if government would completely dissapear. We, as a capitalist country, rely on our free market to move us forward. When the government doesn't allow the market to function freely THAT is what sets us back. Ron Paul is attempting to restore the principles that worked when our country was great and prosperous. In this day and age government is chaos, it's filled with crooks, we go to war every 10 years.. and the govt spends billions of our dollars every year. Why do you support that?