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tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - read marx, he says himself that people like me are evil. I was referring to owning a business in a socialist state that DOES allow you to own a business. there are MANY forms of socialism. But how fun would it be if we could not do what our dreams tell us to do. I plan on owning a business in life, and the socialism ur referring to would not allow me to. I dont want to government to run my life, i would like to run it myself because I know what is best for myself, not the government.
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - How many times do I have to say BUSINESS DOESN'T EXIST IN SOCIALISM?! Plus, our gov. programs may be inefficient, but that's just our CURRENT gov. and our CURRENT system. Obviously government run programs in Hong Kong and Dubai work out. If their was a new sytem in the US, it could be for better or worse. Who knows?
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - ok. lets try this one more time. THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF SOCIALISM. A totalitarian government is NOT the only form of socialism. Dammit read marx and lenin and you will see what im talking about
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - Exactly. You know what's best for you and I know what's best for me. I have just been saying that personally, I want a governemnt that runs the economy and doesn't allow private business(so Marxian socialism), whereas you don't. That's fine. However, if a people's war happens, I'll gladly join in to fight private business.
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - where do your type of socialist governments get their money?
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - Fine, you're right on that. I should have been clear that I don't support the forms of socialism you were talking about. And I've read both, as well as Stalin and Hoxha, among others. I know there are many forms of it.
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - that is a dream and ambition, ok say we get there, and our kids are born 20 years later. What ambitions could our kids have that they can accomplish? there would be none
jaythizzle1969 Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - ron paul is a stud. vote for him.
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Well, you can still try and become a person of a certain profession or go to school to learn about what you want(ed) to be in case you live in one of those countries that assigns you a job. Even then, though, you can still aim to constantly build up the economy of the country you are in so you can increase your standard of living as well as other's standards of living.
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Just a thought.
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - But in order to strive in socialism, you need to get out, because the idle and lazy drag ppl who work down. Again, Where do you type of socialist totalitarian governments get their money to pay for all of these public programs? In a capitalist society the government gets their money through taxes
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - vote for him and help cut down our massive government. We need more people like you in this country. Who ever it is, vote conservative in 2012 for the sake of our country. Obama is leading us to socialism which it is a fact that it does not work
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Like I said, people who don't work often suffer under Communist regimes. The government keeps what it needs for its social programs, instead of through taxes(usually). If the government controls everything, then what's the point of taxes, right? Obviously, in some "socialist" countries, there's a small amount of private businesses that pay taxes, but other than that, there are none.
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - ok, let me try this just one more time. Where does your type of government get money to pay for these programs?? They cant pay for medicine with money that just fell out of their ass. Why would someone want to be a doctor in socialism if a truck driver gets the same benefits and the same payroll??
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Probably culture. There are plenty of doctors in many socialist societies. Maybe they actually give aa shit about people. Money is made like it is in capitalism, except a state bank prints it, rather than a private one.
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Plus you said Sweden is a successful socialist state. I laughed because we studied an economic crisis that Sweden had in the early 90s. They mismanaged monetary policy and their money became usless. So they had to increase their interest rates by more than 500% to reduce the money supply. That didnt work so they privatized many public programs because the government felt that their was "A LACK OF COMPETITION." Sweden's economy stagnated then began collapsing until they fixed it in the mid 90s
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 12, 2009 - Ok, im not trying to diss you but you have no idea what you are talking about. First of all, we dont have private banks printing money, the Federal Reserve does that. 2nd, the gov cannot just print money out at will. That leads to the increase of the money supply which leads to worthless currency. Monetary Policy, look it up. Wiki has a bad explanation. look elsewhere.
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 13, 2009 - Actually, there are many countries that have private central banks. Idk where my comment went, but I'm pretty sure I was talking about capitalist countries in general. Some capitalist may have public central banks, though. But anyways, these countries use a public Central Banking system. Cuba has the Central Bank of Cuba, Libya has the Central Bank of Libya, Belarus has the Central Bank of the Republic of Belarus, and Syria has the Central Bank of Syria.
puresickdead Says:
Nov 13, 2009 - Ron Paul 2012
tennisIS4pussys Says:
Nov 14, 2009 - Where does your type of government get money to pay for these programs?? IDK why you wont answer my question
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 14, 2009 - Look, in capitalist countries, social programs are funded with tax payer money. This is because the government doesn't own the means of production and they don't have the authority to just barge in on someone to take part of their money(that the worker earned) they(the government) need for a social program. However, in a command economy, the government just simply keeps what it needs for social programs, rather than tax the people for the money.
6678 Says:
Nov 18, 2009 - Umm...you don't have any idea what you're talking about. The Treasury prints paper currency, not the Fed. The Fed purchases bonds and circulates currency.
danbuck333 Says:
Nov 20, 2009 - the Federal Reserve is a private bank, other than that free market capt all the way
batteryxtreme Says:
Nov 22, 2009 - Warning to all he just told us the dollar is going to collapse yet the government gives out these huge incentives to buy a house or a car so people do. This is what is going to happen next all those people who bought a car or a house and could not really afford it will find themselves in the exact same place we are today but even worse with a weak dollar it will take even more money to live all equity in your house will be wiped out.The government is hurting us even more.Nothing is "FREE"
agnosticasshole Says:
Nov 11, 2009 - You thnk I don't have dreams or ambitions? Isn't wanting a socialist society and fighting for it an ambition and dream? No shit humans have wants and needs. Isn't wanting a better life and fighting for it an ambition and dream? Isn't wanting to turn a backwards agrarian society into a world superpower and fighting for it an ambition and dream(talking about the USSR)? See how socialism is based on ambitions and dreams that help people?