Do YOU Know Your Bible? (Part 2)

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - Not just because of Ted H. in Denver, but from many observations, I have noted that the agitating forces behind the persecution of Gay people so often comes from preachers or writers who are Gay themselves. It seems to be more a projection of their own self-hatred. This was true of Joe Mcarthy and so many other famous demogogues. At the root of it is still fear. We hate most in others what we fear most in ourselves.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - Ebal, if it actually worked, there would be more mandrake gro-ops that pot gro-ops here in British Columbia. As they say in B.C., "this buds for you."

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - I am not suggesting; that is what the story says. I don't believe that their mother became the "salt of the earth" either. However, I have seen and heard of many things stranger than two Lolitas going after an older man. It is believable. It is just as believable to suggest that Lot raped them and claimed otherwise. That, too, is not so unusual in our own era.

ebaltrace Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - I find it interesting that you take the time to comment on mandrakes while ignoring my comment on Abraham. Ebal the Atheist

airihi Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - I don't think what you say is untrue, but the numbers of people who object to homosexuality suggest this is not the only cause. I understand that a large number of people voted against proposition 8 for instance: far more than could be expected to be gay and christian. The outspoken leaders may be influential, but the bible expressly condones and supports their teachings. As far as I am aware the bible doesn't allay fears, or condemn bigotry, of many kinds. It appears to stir them up.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - i must have missed the comment on Abraham. I did not want to pass up an opportunity for a bit of humour, though, as the discussion can get to heavy

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - The Gay pride parades do not help. They do frighten a lot of people (the unnerve me also). I realise that in Toronto and Vancouver, they are now a part of the local culture, and that thousands of ordinary citizens turn out for them and enjoy them, but they do present a disconcerting stereotype of Gay people that frankly IS scary. Why can't some of the Gay people participate looking like sane, meaningful human beings? Even if only for political reasons.

TaylorX04 Says:

Nov 7, 2009 - I'm wondering the same of a lot of Christians here in America. ;-)

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - Westboro baptist Church for example? Now that really is scary. But the fact that many Christian groups act like evolution in reverse does not mean that Gay people cannot present another face in these events that does not reinforce the frightening steriotypes. If any of your reading this happen to be Gay, can you name the Gay man who broke the Nazi codes and helped win the war, only to commit suicide because he was so persecuted for being Gay? Why do you never have float commemorating him etal.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - Why do you never have a float recounting the holocaust of homosexuals during the Third Reich? Why is there never a float comemorating the great composers, artists, politicans and warriors who were Gay? Why don't some of you show up in business suits? Why are they only freak shows that set negative stereotypes?????? Why blame those who are frightened by them, when there is real reason to be frightened? Where are the commemorations of homosex. heroes in these things?

airihi Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - The "gay lifestyle" argument is rabidly encouraged by religious bigots, even to the point where they deny homosexual unions/marriage, perpetuating the "free and single" lifestyle they disagree with. The most universally anti-gay groups are religious. When pushed, when show figures like Turing, the christians among them always come back to the bible.

TaylorX04 Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - Well, no, it doesn't mean that, but why should it matter? I think gays have as much right to be flamboyant as Christian fundamentalists do. I think we also have to consider the fact that the media may be choosing to portray gays in a certain way by certain events they cover. This seems true especially here in Texas.

noproofforjesus Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - another great vid man. you know the bible really well. i post these on my face book it piss everyone off lol.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - Of course it is unjustly encouraged. Not long ago, the whole town of Courteney, B.C. joined the celebration of the 50th anniversary of a Gay couple who were honoured citizens, having served in many civic capacities. Their "lifestyle" was one of giving of their energies to civic and charitable causes, running a small business and earning the respect of their fellow citizens, who showed that respect in an open tribute. But still, why not commemorate people like Allan Turing in the GPParades.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - Airhi: I will admit that homosexuality remains a mystery to me; I hope that had one of my sons or grandchildren been born Gay, I would have treated them no differently, but I could not know that unless it had happened. The fact that I do not understand it means that I have even less right to judge it. I am, however, devoted to social justice and opposed to the persecution of ANYONE. We do live in a liberal democracy. Even if it was choice, in a democracy one cannot deny that right.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - It is regional, of course. The behaviour of Televangelists, for example, gives all Christians a bad name. The Fundamentalist "lifestyle" is not at all attractive. Still, I cannot imagine why Gay people do not commemorate the Holocaust in a sober and meaningful way. It was a mass extermination about which the Nazis were just as dedicated as they were to exterminating Jews. The Funda. lifestyle is dangerous to democracy; it is not just the position about Gay people, it is dangerous to all of us.

allsaintsmonastery Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - I am going to sign off making comments here as I have too much else to do. I have enjoyed the exchange. It has been civil and decent. I would still encourage those of you who are Gay to commemorate the Holocaust in a bold and sober, and meaningful way. And to remember your own heroes of the past in a public, and sober way. Shaping the image that people have of you is still your responsibility, rather than just complaining of the way others do it because you do not. I am a heterosexual Christian,

rollsthepaul Says:

Nov 8, 2009 - It appears to be a prerequisite for Christians to cherry pick the Bible.

1n354a Says:

Nov 9, 2009 - I loved the pennteller BS episode about gay couples and all the horrible things they do with their children...like reading books, doing homework, driving them to baseball games, and watching television with them. After seeing this I am not surprised that we are so against the "gay lifestyle"! Can you imagine if everybody started doing that???

twentyfirstcentury21 Says:

Nov 13, 2009 - uh oh, according to that stone to death list we're all fucked..... thank goodness it's fake!!!!! whew, dodged that bullet:)

SocialAnathema Says:

Nov 15, 2009 - Thats a challenge worthy of religionists everywhere. Try for 1 week to follow your sacred book to the the letter. No interpolations, or exceptions are allowed. If you've actually read your holy book, I shouldn't have to tell you this. Don't feel bad if you do not succeed. Christians and Muslims and Judaists, etc.must cherry pick their texts. Why?Because, if all the writers of the various books of thebible(to pick the most familar)were put in a room together,they would rip eachother to pieces.

rollsthepaul Says:

Nov 16, 2009 - Faith in something good and bigger than oneself is a stabilizing force for many. We should believe that something better awaits. The truth of this world is best not known by many in their current state of development ie "You can't handle the truth". We are all pretenders and know in our heart of hearts that what we experience on Earth, is wrong. We were not made for this and we will never accept this as norm. Success of any kind often amplifies the inadequacy of this place.

TaylorX04 Says:

Nov 16, 2009 - Everyone can believe in something good and bigger than themselves if we take principles into account. But to think that a god qualifies, or that we should believe a better life awaits us after this one? That's taking it too far, in my opinion. That is when the line is crossed and we become pretenders to an ideal that is infinitely changing according to each person and era, yet which many believe to be absolute and unchanging.

mikeyman211 Says:

Nov 17, 2009 - The need for fairytales to help us through our days is a major sign of immaturity. It would be nice to believe in santa and the tooth fairy but I don't, it's not healthy. It's sad that people become dependant on the crutch of faith.

mcmorma Says:

Nov 24, 2009 - Good video.