5 Jesus came to bring war - hell on earth

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Do you see the idiocy of all the statements and questions you just maid? 1) He does 2) Check Isaiah. Youre not a baby that needs fed the truth. 3) The finding the Messiah is not your biggest issue. Truth is. Torah states you do not need anyone to go and get it for you. Stand up like a man and get it. The Messiah will only point people back to the Truth. 4) No one is going to save you if you don't chose a blessing. Learn how. 5) The future Messiah coming is not on your test.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Appologize to your brother when you "Chose death"-"Chose a curse", not me. Maybe you can buy him one of the dead guys on the chain stuck to an instrument of death used for death sentances so long ago. You know the one you pray to so that when your dead you can have a good afterlife. Just like they describe in the Egyptian "book of the dead". How obvious can it be? Chose life or chose death.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - The laws of the exodus are in the book of Deuteronomy. God made the sacrifice mute. Paying for sins that you repeatedly do is insincere. It is not that hard not to steal, commit adultery, honor my parents, etc. Because I love God the father, it is automatic. I dont need to pay for sins I didn't commit. I returned to the father and he forgives previous sins on the repentance and returning. If the sacrifice is restored so that I can participate in it, will see. Engage and question.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - By the way, you pay with the curses and punishemnt. It is by this shedding of your "blood"/"life" that pays for your sins. When you chose death, the life starts coming out of you. I can see death in peoples eyes. If you repent and return to the father under his righteousness you will likely get credit for time served in a cursed life. Punishement and reward. Its that simple.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - He sinned almost everytime he opened his mouth. I am going over Matthew right now and I am only up Mathew 6 and virtually ever passage is in violation of the precepts of the law and of Deut 13. I told you he match revalations and his blasphemy as a man is unrivaled. Prophets talk to God - Jesus talked with Satan. Even the voice from heaven was not identified as God. Jesus said he saw Satan fall to earth.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - His rebukes to the temptations in the dessert are funny. They are misquotes. One rebuke is a recital to what Ahaz said to Isaiah that wearies God as Isaiah stated. Jesus violates these statements in the moment and in his life. Jesus asks why have you forsaken me. Proof he expected God to save him from Pontius Pilate. "You say I am" defense is proof he tested God to save him. Stones to loaves=multiply fish and bread. Jesus fasted and the angels administered to his self injury. Hypocrite.

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - So you are saying you don't know who the messiah is? Ok so one of the most important things God has given to us isn't mentioned in the Bible? That's wierd considering we need him isn't it? Too bad Jesus wasn't our messiah or we could be redeemed by his blood

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - So in Matthew 6 there is no sin. He's teaching and reminding them not to be like hypocrites, he never sinned. BTW check out Job 1:6-12. I guess with your theology God isn't perfect either if they talk to Satan

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - But God is holy and a judge. Do you agree with me so far? He judges humans after they die. So if he's a judge and righteous HE CAN'T LET YOU GO. He would be UNRIGHTEOUS and UNJUST because you didn't pay for his commandments you broke. I promise you you've lied, stolen something small like a pencil at school, and disobeyed your parents

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Nope you don't understand the background info. He was sent from God he IS God (John1:1-end of chapter) So he could talk to God virtually whenever but when our sins were put upon him he looked so horrible the father turned his face away and that communication was over.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - No, what I am saying is that your statements are idiotic. Oh your so tempting with your pagan rational. Laughable approach, numbnuts. What ever gave mankind the idea that they could wait for a messiah to start doing the law. Chose life is for each man in his lifetime not some wait till the end of times messiah BS. Every book of the New testament is illegal. Deut 13.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - "humans after they die" God states he will repay his enemies to their face in their lifetime. So don't count on Judgement being postponed till death. It is why you suffer and tremble under all your curses. I answered this question to you twice. Your belief is that if you accept the obvious lies of the New Testament and take on a false man God, that God will forgive you more. What idiocy. Give me another valid OT prophecy that proves Jesus is the Messiah or God or payment for sins.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - If God sent Jesus it was to punish as Jesus said he came to bring war and have brother turn brother over to death. And who is John? A disciple. Jesus said the disciples were evil, did he not? Math 7:23 "Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!" Jesus talked with Satan not God. You say he could have but he didn't. Know them by their fruits. Jesus was surrounded by evil, demons, satan, evil disciples, fallen sinning Jews, and death. NT books blatently lie.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Jesus is not God, never was God, never claimed to be God and had no powers of a God until the fallen spirit from Heaven gave him power to do miracles. The voice from Heaven that called him a son was an angel, not God or they would have identified it as God. Mathew 3:17 The only angel I know that is supposed to bear a son is Satan. Odd that Satan meets him and Jesus says get behind me Satan. Odd this son born by an act of adulty would bring war to the world. Get a clue.

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - OK, two big problems. 1IT'S THE SAME GOD.2 HE PROMISED US A MESSIAH AND A SAVIOR!

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Again out of context. Every religion has people who try to "believe" but they really don't care about God. That's what he is talking about people who think they were saved but weren't because they never trusted in Christ and couldn't pay for their sins. You are just making stuff up now. "He could have but he didn't" He went and prayed 3 times at Gethsemane alone and he taught others how to talk to God threw prayer. How was he surrounded by death?

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Job has nothing to do with it. One can read directly out of the NT that Jesus committed dozens and dozens of sins. The law was trampled by Jesus in nerarly every breath. He is a hypocrite himself he says the law doesn't relax at all and then he relaxes it. He complains about evil and then he rewards it at every turn. Satan works for God and is instructed by God. Jesus is talking about punishing and Satan fell to earth. What is he doing here? God perfect? "He will be what he will be."

Walk94 Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - I have a question for you than. If God isn't three people how come in Genesis, before Sodom and God came to tell Abraham about his promised son and He didn't just see God, he saw God as three people (referring to the Trinity Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) Now why would God be three people if there is only one of Him?

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - "That's what he is talking about" No is not. "Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles" These are the disciples who Jesus shared his mojo juice with. Jesus separeted from the crowd to teach the disciples. Praying is not talking with God but rather to him. A prophet delivers words that God gave him. Praying doesn't give you prophet or messiah abilities.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - Ok two big problems here. 1) Wrong A trinity God is not the same God it is three Gods and it is in complete violation of common sense, truth, torah and righteousness. 2) Maybe Moses states God will establish a prophet. All other prophet messiah books must first pass a test, one which you would be hard pressed to check. There is dispute as to wether they are actually prophet books. The final war has not occured and this is when he is predicted to come. Jesus died twice so its not him.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - God is not three people. The Old Testament is full of passages that state God is one including the first commandment. You need to focus on the rules and stop playing around. The rules will save you not out of context BS. This is a translation from the Hebrew: ...AND he appeared YHVH to him in the plains of Mamre AND he (Abraham) sat at the opening of the tent in the heat of the day (He must have been looking down) AND he lifted his eyes AND he saw AND he beheld three men...

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 22, 2008 - By the way even the BS trinity does have God at three people, but one man, one spirit and one Father. So far you have given: 1 false Isaiah prophecy mismatch Multiple misquotes An ID the Messiah request when the time for the messiah has not come. Denial of the very text of the NT that states Jesus came not for peace. Denial of the new testament text that Jesus said he was not the Messiah and no response to Deut 13 outlawing the books you quote from. GO READ, THINK AND WAKE UP.

Otokogoroshi Says:

Dec 24, 2008 - I'm confused... are you pro religion or anti? Or just a end of times type? Seems you're anti-jesus... I could be wrong though.

returnthesoapbox Says:

Dec 24, 2008 - Anti-religion - pro God if that makes any sense. I believe there was one book written by Moses and deuteronomy is the best version of it. Any books beyond it are corrupted as it is the only book in the first person that closes itself. there is a ton of logic behind my conclusion but I won't bore you. Jesus is the false prophet of Deut 13 and the instigation of the punishment of God. "to kill you with my words" as Jesus refered to this passage several times. The single book, you and God

capriciousgod Says:

Feb 18, 2009 - returnthesoapbox: Are you retarded?