Why Christianity Fails 1 - Christopher Hitchens ILLUSTRATED

freakyphysicsguy Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - Two words: radiometric dating. That's how we know the literal creation didn't happen, because it has proven that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6,000.

PeaceAndChristianity Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - 1rst off, dont balme God for this, its the damn governments fault for letting the country go to waste. And we care enough to go over seas and help them. You should be happy that you, and "westerers" are healthy. And i blame the governemt for their misfortune, not God

PeaceAndChristianity Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - yea and were here because the big bang happened, and why did that happen? why did the greeks strive to become better at everything?

Seektruth1st Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - There is nothing wrong with believing in God, or a creator and not applying it to some written religion. I have no desire to hurt any living creature, rip anyone off and definitely would love to see humans unite and prevail, just like many atheists do. I also think that if a God created us he would be insulted if we did not use our honest reasoning or intelligence either. Apparently if we do not conform to a God of a holy book then our God is satan.

Seektruth1st Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - It is interesting that the 2 biggest religions in the world are also the most well known for killing the people that did not want to be a part of it. This is demonstrated throughout history.

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - Actually, it was the Christian nations that utterly destroyed Africa, and ravaged South America, in the name of God. Those nation's governments are the result of revolts against imperialism. You can't really ask why anything happened, because there's no answer and the question could be asked of God's existance as well. The Greeks had a curiousity about the natural world, and they devised methods for properly testing that world. They also had fierce competition and they loved refined art.

dasrik Says:

Nov 20, 2009 - It is interesting in the sense that it can demonstrate human's capability for hypocrisy, believing in a religion whose texts lay down laws that specifically state that murder is not allowed while taking other verses as justification for murder. I am not stating that the holy books are 100% truth; simply that someone who reads those texts without prejudice would at the very least think twice about killing another human being for any reason, much less not believing as the others do.

PeaceAndChristianity Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - present day, im talking about. wake up dont live in the past. There government could ask the UN or EU for help if they really wanted their country to be atleast modernized a little. I dont think something the Arabs did 1000 years ago could affect it now. It was slavery of the white man which was NOT just christians fault. It was all white people. get your facts straight

MrDavering Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - All I can say, as a Christian, is that Mr. Hitchens, though wrong on many points is also correct on many points. In order to come to an understanding between Theism and Atheism, we must seek to genuinely understand one another. "There's no point in cutting off a man's nose and giving him a rose to smell." Indian Proverb. When we become fearful or offensive in our discussions, we should consider whether or not we have true trust in our position at all. We fear what we don't know, we know little.

DoomsdayR3sistance Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Yes, we fear what we don't know, but just because we don't know means that any old answer will do. More so when that answer actually conflicts with what we do know. But even with that the bible is wrong, from the start, the book of Genesis had adam and eve only having two sons. The bible claims Earth is only 5,000 years old, we know it to be closer to 4,600,000,000 years old. When we all know this, it's hard for myself to understand theists who refuse to accept scientific facts!

DoomsdayR3sistance Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Correction: just because we don't know doesn't mean that any old answer will do. Guess I'll put another point down, first the historical evidence of Jesus, or their lack of, there is no evidence of Jesus having ever actually existed. Yeshu however what is a similar name in the original Hebrew, we do. But! it doesn't match Jesus, Yeshu was preaching almost 100 years before Jesus was preaching and didn't have the miracles. Rather Jesus's miracles appear to have come from pegan sun god Mithras.

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Present day? Those with political power right now in Africa were ALIVE during the days of imperialism, which ended in the 60s and 70s (90s in some cases)! And yes, things the arabs did 1,000 years ago DID effect them and the world! Algebra was kind of important! You have NO concept of how history works! How can you expect Rhwanda, which was thrown into civil war and had millions die as a result of imperialist policies (in the mid 90s), to stand up and be counted for a decade later!?

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - As an atheist, I have to point out that your statements have no scholarly merit. This is a bit harsh, but please don't make us look bad.

DoomsdayR3sistance Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - Scholarly merit... Erm. I am no Scholar but I do research and have a great memory but youtube's 500 character limit however and hatred of links makes sourcing hard. Only two sons clearly doesn't supply any genetically possibilities for the entire human race. We are pretty damned certain that Homosapiens have been around between 100,000 and 250,000 far longer then the bibles 5,000 years and no I can't prove their isn't a Gesus, you can't prove a negative but their is no evidence for him at all

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - I was being a dick, I apologize. I was refering to your statements on Jesus and Mithras, an all of the other Zeitgeist fabricated nonsense. There is a substancial amount of evidence for the existance of Jesus. There are a handful of radical historians who disbelieve in the existance of Jesus; fewer than deny the holocaust. Also, the connection to Jesus and the Bible to astology and paganism was started in a book with 0 citations in it, lots of lies, and no trace of research.

PeaceAndChristianity Says:

Nov 21, 2009 - dude just shut up your not cool. Im focused on present day, Im living inthe now, 2009. The governments in those countries could just do something about it. Let them handle it themselves.

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - You have no understanding of African politics. There are warbands within those countries that are stronger than the government. One of those countries doesn't even have a government! Joseph Kony is raising child soldiers to enforce the Ten Commandments in Uganda. It takes decades to turn a country around, but when you add advanced firepower into the mix, change becomes utterly impossible. You can close your eyes to the world and believe what you want, but that's a disastrous mindset.

DoomsdayR3sistance Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - But there isn't any evidence of Jesus, The only thing that claims of Jesus during his supposed life is that Paul hatred his brother, it's not enough proof to claim Jesus did exist. From Hebrew to Latin to English the name was easy to get mistranslated too what appears to be the case. The two names were so similar in the original Hebrew it's hard to deny the very likely possibility it was mistranslated more so since we have historic records of many people called Yeshu but none called Jesus.

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - It was Yeshua, I believe. Who cares about the name? We say Mark Anthony, instead of Marcus Antonius. We're talking about a specific figure that was written about. The reason we believe there is a historical figure we call Jesus is that, when the New Testament was first written by Mark, there were many members of the church, and living people who had seen and interacted with Jesus. Such direct and recent stories may allow for exaggeration, but not fabrication of a human. continued.

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - I mean, Christians complain incessantly about the merit placed upon 'The Gaelic Wars,' written by Julius Caesar. This is the largest historical account we have for the rise of Caesar and his conquering of France. Why is it a problem? Caesar wrote it as a political tool. We can logically and scholastically ween the truth out of the book, and create an appropriate history. This is what they have done to the New Testament, and concluded that Jesus did exist. There IS some history in the Bible.

DoomsdayR3sistance Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - The reason Yeshu or yes also Yeshua is important is because the closest record of one is over 70 years off from Jesus. As for Julius Caesar, We have other accounts of him, other people made statements either mentioning him, about him or too and from him. This is a vast difference to the Bible that has nothing pre 100 A.D. making any note of Jesus what so ever, and if it's actually Yeshu that puts it almost 180 years after the event, at 100 it's not evidence/proof. 180 years it's another guy.

PeaceAndChristianity Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - I do and i know they have wars on drug dealers and war gangs. They could simply ask the UN or EU for help and im sure they would get the help. And the country that doesnt have a government can be settle by ther UN going in to make one. and help them along until they are sturdy enough to handle everything themselves. The problem in Africa is simple but people like you make its complicated and oh, since we cant fix it i guess we blame it on God? yea shows how intellegent you are

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - /wiki/Politics_of_Somalia Type that after wikipedia. o-r-g. It's fucking complicated you moron. The UN and EU have been trying to help Africa in any way they can. What you're advocating, if done across Africa, would likely kill tens of millions of people. A government must be enforced! You can't just throw down a set of rules and make them follow. And yea, let's see Gaddafi or Mugave ask for help! And I blamed nothing on a non-existant being. It's was -partly- a 'manifest destiny' mindset.

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - The Pauline epistles were written between 50 and 60 AD. What you're doing is looking at the most extreme versions of what a few guys are proposing and stating them as truth. You have to read up on it and find the middle ground that makes sense. Atheists don't have a weak argument, there's no reason to be extreme. Mark was likely written 70AD or so. You missed my point about Gaelic Wars. -Historians use it- even though it's clearly fantastical. I could say the same of Thucydides. continued

LukeShetler Says:

Nov 22, 2009 - Herodotus too. Our only accounts of the Greco-Persian and Peloponnesian wars are riddled with fantasy. We still ween the truth from them, because a lot of it is obviously true. The Gaelic war isn't the only account of Caesar's life, but you still see accounts of his time in Gaul, and that is from Gaelic Wars. Look, you're going against the entire scholarly community in this belief. I've posed a similar argument to my father, a Biblical professor, and he shredded it with ease.